Tuesday, September 16, 2008

Barths, Barths, Barths, and a Guibert

Selections from Camera Lucida by Roland Barthes

The Photographic Message by Roland Barthes

The Rhetoric of the Image by Roland Barthes

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Inventory of a Box of Photographs and the Album by Herve Guibert

2 comments:

hannah wiessner said...

Theory week 2 response

“The photographic Message”

what hes trying to say is that basically, depending on who is presenting the material, the image and its message are manipulated and interpreted based on the culture in which the author is presenting it. Which to me seems sort of obvious. Ofcourse a photograph is portrayed a cetain way based on its cultural values.
there is a denoted message (an analogy of a certain event in reality taking place. It Doesn’t capture the actual reality itself, is more of a still representation.
He later states that depending upon the way you take a photo, you can either make something look very light or harmless, or you could portray something to be very dark and ominess, which Is if I’m not mistaken, is the whole basis of our art. Don’t each of us try to photographic things that could be very basic to some people, represent something much more significant. He basically repeats himself on very surface photographic theory. (but i'm not claiming to know much more by any means.)


“Inventory of a box of Photographs”
This reading I found very different than the rest of them. This author cites past personal experiences from his own childhood as examples. At first, he discusses that photographs are used to preserve memories, but pale in comparison to his actual personal memories that he concretely remembers. But THEN he says “These memories go back to when I was three years old. My very first memories must be aural. I have no memories of photographs or which coincide with a photograph – I remember the pictures, but I have no recollection of having lived them.” Maybe I am reading this incorrectly but did he not just say the polar opposite a page prior?
Later Faucon discusses all the posed family portraits he has had to participate in over the years, and how he much rather prefers more candid, abstract photos. He states “these photographic correspondences, though almost professional, do not interest me. I’m looking for a different kind of disorder.” I think this speaks to most photographers, in that we are constantly looking for our own individual way to interpret the world as we experience it.

"Camera Lucida"

Barthes finds the empirical study of photography to strip it of its natural primitiveness, reducing it to a science as opposed to a medium of entirely creative expression, as the capturing of and choosing an event in reality is left entirely up to the photographer. The motive behind a photo being taken as opposed to the referent itself seems to resonate most powerfully with the spectator. The thoughts and feelings a photo enacts within the spectator as opposed to how well the photo abides by the conventional rules of photography are what truly make a photo worthwhile.

Doolin said...

Caitlyn Doolin
Week Two


Ghost Image
After reading, Inventory a box of Photographs, I felt when Guibert states “I belong to my parents”, he creates an interesting topic. I feel he is saying that the reason his parents created images of him crying, bleeding, or smiling is because those images create proof of who (as a child belong to). Another interesting point he brings up are that incidents happening to himself (during birthday parties, family outings) but the photo-reality is showing evidence of another truth that happened. I thought this was weird because when I remember my childhood (aside from the fact that we, as adults, don’t remember all of our childhood) and the pictures my parents have are cheesy and staged some aren’t. But I can remember things happening in a completely different way. Which can also explain when he talks about how the history we remember is a literary history but the photo boxes hold a superficial history.
A part that I completely was awkward was when he was talking about his father wanting to capture the beauty in his sisters breasts because he at that point in her life she could lose her beauty. WEIRDO. Even worse I understand the concept he was trying to convey.
The whole time Guibert is looking through boxes of black and white photographs searching for the mystery photo that would screw up the flow of the photo-reality in the boxes, such as a picture of a crocodile or something not ordinary. I feel like he wouldn’t be able to find one unless it wasn’t hidden.

Rhetoric of the Image - Roland Barthes
He begins with stating the most important problem is the semiology of an image is that the representation produce the true signs and/or a form of simple signs. Then he moves on to describing signs and signifiers. But first he talks about the three messages in an image. They are linguistics, coded iconic message and non-coded message. He is referencing a Panzani Advertisement throughout the reading. When talking about advertisement, “the significance is undoubtedly intentional.” Now, the linguistic (language) of the the Panzani Ad is the caption, labels, and Panzani, which is a sign that refers to an Italian name (Barthes refers to it as “Italiancity”). The coded message is the relationship between the the sign and signifier, such as the scene looks like someone just got back from the market, its ready to cooked (“freshness and domestic”), and bringing the colors together makes up think of Italy. The non-coded message is the difference between the literal message and the symbolic message, which is don’t you want to have this pasta product to you can make fresh pasta with tomato sauce. And enjoy a delicious dinner.

The Photographic Message - Roland Barthes
He starts off with the process of a Press Photo: a message formed by a source of emission, then channel of transmission, then to a point of reception. Its obvious that with press photography you can not avoid a photo or image without the accompany text. He said that people are more likely to read the headlines than the caption but only if the caption not to close to the image. Which I didn’t understand, if you wanted to read the caption wouldn’t you read the caption whether or not the distance from the image. Then he brings up the content of a photographic message which is a literal reality that shows doesn’t show the correct proportion, perspective or even color of the subject. It doesn’t seem like it would be an artistic image because its basically their to better inform the reader about the article, its gives a small visual connections to the text. I do agree that journalism, its now called, its a kind if photography.
He starts to talk about the connotation and denotation messages; connotation message is a message that implied in the work is divided into two separate decisions meaning and symbols and denotation messages defines what the viewer is seeing. Then he moves into the connotation procedures of the image. There are six of them; trick effects, pose, objects, photogenic, aestheticism, and syntax.

Camera Lucida - Roland Barthes
I felt this was completely different in any other reading that I have read of Roland Barthes. It was like I was reading his diary of discovering photography. He begins with the classification of photography but then says photography is unclassifiable. Odd. He talks how we can not escape the finger pointing; “here is blah blah”, “this is my puppy” and basically owning or claiming the subject in the image. Which makes the subject the is the spectator and the photographer is the operator. But it was really interesting reading how he got his picture taken and how I could relate to it. Also, I enjoyed following his journey as a photographer.